by Wayne A. Diercks – 4/15/2015
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Early on, nearly all pilots of the X5C quadcopter experience the desire for spare batteries. The short flight time of the included 500 mah LiPo (Lithium Polymer) battery leaves one begging for more in a hurry. The nearly ninety-minute recharge time leaves no alternative but to have at least four or five available spares while waiting.
Although flight times were often mentioned, they lacked specifics and consistency. I wanted scientifically obtained, quantitative figures for comparison and for measuring future modifications I intend to pursue. Since there were none, I designed a scientifically and reproducible testing procedure and am sharing my findings for all to view.
If you are not particularly interested in the details just jump to the
Test Results and Conclusions sections at the end of this lengthy and informative article.
By far the most popular after-market battery for this quad is the 600 mah LiPo with an extra blue foil label touting the name “GOO”. This is the same brand as the 720 mah batteries in my tests. However, Turnigy is the brand of the 750 mah batteries.
I purchased the package of four 600 mah batteries with a regulated, 4-port charger labeled “WSX” for only about $16 including shipping from a reputable Chinese dealer. I found this to be the best money I ever spent on my quadcopter short of the actual SYMA X5C-1 full quadcopter kit for about $55 including shipping from the same dealer. Be forewarned that the actual shipping time (after prompt processing when in stock) from China can be one entire month or more. If you are impatient, you can now purchase these from U.S. sources at a slight premium.
First, it may be advantageous to learn about the safety precautions and peculiarities of LiPo batteries. Among the best articles available and well worth the read is one at the following website: http://www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-lipo-batteries.html. In summary: always use a regulated charger port for each cell, do not overcharge beyond 4.20 volts per cell for safety and battery longevity, wait several minutes after a flight for the battery to cool before charging, do not charge a damaged battery, store batteries out of the sun and avoid excessive heat, follow safety procedures during charging and for long-term storage drain to around 3.80 volts and possibly refrigerate. My batteries arrived shipped at 3.83 volts.
Single-cell LiPo batteries (known as “1S” configuration) are
designed to produce current at a nominal 3.7 volts. Everything
on the X5C quad is designed to operate at about 3.7 volts as
opposed to more powerful quadcopters that operate at
7.4 volts (2S) or 11.1 volts (3S) using two or three cells in
series. The milliamp hour (mah) rating is a capacity or total
amperage output until drained. The “25C” specification is a
discharge rating of maximum sustained current (multiplied by
the mah capacity) which is somewhat comparable to cold cranking
amps rating in a car battery.
For maximum effectiveness and long life no LiPo cell should
ever be charged fast or above 4.20 volts and never drained
below 3.10 volts. The X5C quad automatically warns with
flashing lights at about 3.20 volts. It is the function of the
regulated battery charger to slowly and consistently charge
the battery (no matter the mah capacity) up to exactly 4.20
volts and never more for maximum battery longevity and safety.
I found that the stock, single-port charger that comes
with the SYMA X5C-1 is inconsistent in its final voltage
cut-off. Occasionally, the battery would be charged to as
low as 4.10 volts and often as high as 4.40 volts! This may not
sound like much but most measurements deal in hundredths
of a volt and overcharging a cell by as much as 20 hundredths of
a volt is significant as we shall later see.
On the other hand, the inexpensive, WSX, 4-port charger
consistently charged LiPo cells of any capacity to exactly
4.20 volts (plus or minus 2/100 volt) on all ports
independently. I use a simple, $6 digital VOM meter from
Harbor Freight for my measurements. Once I discovered
the differences in these chargers, I decided on the WSX
4-port charger for all my tests and everyday quadcopter use.
String Hover Test Parameters
In order to quantify flight times achieved with various batteries, I decided to
conduct an indoor “stringed hover test” as my standard. I wanted a scientific
means to reproduce my findings as accurately and conveniently as possible.
It consisted of attaching waxed kite string to the bottom of the quadcopter
with the other end attached to a “brick” to allow the quad to hover at a 6-foot
level above the floor. This height minimizes the “ground effect” of bounced
air from the “wash” of the props. A stopwatch is activated as the quad ascends
to its height and piloted to maintain only a slight pull on the string at
it wanders from air currents and other variations in a five-foot
diameter circle. The timing is stopped when the quad flashes or it
settles to the floor at the end of the battery life. All batteries were nearly new
with similar usage and I suspect as time goes on flight times will diminish. This
testing method is not meant to emulate real world flight conditions but is merely
a means of scientifically providing reproducible, consistent test results for accurately determining comparable battery flight times. In fact, I was able to achieve a full minute longer flight time using a GOO 600 mah battery in light flying. Your mileage may vary.
Tests were conducted in three quad configurations “naked”, “fully-dressed” and “fully-dressed with video on” during the entire flight. Two similar X5C-1 quads and several different batteries were used to determine the averages although individual results were very consistent. All aspects of the tests were conducted to achieve the most consistency in the results.
The “naked” configuration tests were conducted without any of these accessories being mounted so that only the quad and its battery were lifted. The actual weight of this naked configuration was 70.7 grams plus battery. It is interesting to note that this difference in weight between the fully-dressed configuration and the naked configuration is about equal to the weight of a 600 mah battery.
The “fully-dressed” configuration sports the quad complete with its landing skids, blade guards, battery door and camera. The camera was not activated in these tests, however, which would have subtracted a minute or so. The actual weight of this fully-dressed configuration was 88.3 grams plus battery.
The “fully-dressed with video on” configuration simply measures flight time of the fully-dressed configuration but with the camera turned on for video during the entire flight.
The naked tests were a more consistent and accurate measurement since the battery would fully drain more consistently to the 3.20 volt range when the quad’s lights began flashing. The added weight of the fully dressed configuration caused early crashing before the lights flashed while trying to maintain lift with insufficient battery power. Not only does additional weight consume more power during the duration of the flight, but a higher power threshold is also needed at the end of flight just to keep the quad aloft.
The battery dimensions and weight listed is the average of several “used but not abused” batteries. The GOO 600 mah batteries have gained 2.3 grams and thickened slightly by about 1.4 mm from when they were brand new. The Turnigy batteries did not.
The table below shows the average results of multiple tests. I then calculated the seconds per mah of the “stated” ratings labeled on
each battery, which completes the story.
The seconds per rated mah of all the batteries except the 720 mah one are remarkably consistent in a given configuration. However, in the “fully-dressed with video on” configuration the extra heavy load on the battery begins to take its toll on the lower quality GOO batteries. The Turnigy battery in particular really shines under heavy load since it can output more current at the lower voltages encountered near the
end of flight.
I also took careful voltage measurements before the flight and immediately
after. I found that the beginning voltage (fully charged)
of 4.20 volts to the fully discharged (on the naked test flights) of
about 3.20 volts under load yielded a voltage drop (consumed
during flight) of 1.00 volts. This equates to a flight time of nearly
5.9 seconds per hundredth of a volt in naked configuration using
the 600 mah battery. In theory, that means that overcharging the
battery by up to 0.20 additional volts (as the single-port charger
often does) should provide additional flight time of nearly 6 seconds
per hundredth of a volt at the expense of shorter battery longevity. In
my tests, I did in fact achieve a test flight approaching 10:30 using a
600 mah battery charged to 4.27 volts, which proves the theory.
This would also indicate why some reviewers of the WSX 4-port battery charger and/or the 600 mah batteries say they noticed reduced flight time as compared to their 500 mah battery charged on the stock, single-port charger.
Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing
The GOO 720 mah rated batteries obviously are not properly rated and labeled*. I have done several tests on both of mine and find consistent and disappointing results. Although they performed satisfactorily, all dimensions and test results indicate that these batteries must have an actual rating of about 550 mah, which is way shy of their labeled and advertised 720 mah rating.
I am in ongoing dialog with the dealer to cease sale of this
battery. Of course he passed the buck to his supplier.
The 600 mah batteries, however, are an excellent value although they add slight additional weight to the quadcopter compared to the stock 500 mah battery. As with all the GOO brand batteries, I noticed occasional dropouts during discharge especially under heavier loads. I question their 25C rating or else the discharge output is not linear.
Their availability is universal and cost a bit less than the stock
500 mah battery. Despite being a little thicker and more difficult
to insert in the quad, they are the best value going and in many
ways the standard battery for this quad due to their low price and
The Shining Star
The Turnigy 750 mah batteries that I purchased from a U.S. dealer for $10 each were the top performers. Although at twice the price, they offer quality and performance that justify the premium. The 25% greater flight time alone may be reason enough for me to declare my allegiance but there is much more to the story.
The claims of superior nano-technology enabling nearly double lifetime (longevity), more power and acceleration (due to a greater 35C rating), faster charge rates (using advanced chargers) and cooler operation are additional advantages. I noticed a more consistent hovering with fewer dropouts and quicker throttle response. Besides the added punch, the discharge output seems to be more linear perhaps due to the higher 35C rating as well. My only complaint is that they do not have that extra foil tab on the top that can be used to safely pull the battery (thicker on the wider edges) from the tight battery compartment after a flight. Also, at first the connector inserts a bit tight and you must use extra force until you feel it snap in place.
Be sure to purchase these and all batteries with the correct
polarity of the connectors specifically designed for the X5C.
Many other quads use the same batteries with opposite polarity
and/or different connectors. Unless you are knowledgeable and
capable of modifying the connectors, you will want to be sure to
avoid that mistake.
32 thoughts on “Battery Flight Times for the SYMA X5C-1 Quadcopter”
Thanks so much for the amazing data. Very impressive. Clearly you’re gathering this data to add to your archive of info, but it’s obvious you have a passion for the science behind it all and, more importantly, the satisfaction of sharing useful information which you discovered yourself, with others. Your efforts are appreciated and this project is nothing short of admirable. Thanks!
My 4-pack of 600 mah lipos read Scorpion on the foil. They are from amazon and come bundled with the 4-port charger as well. It [the charger] has three letters on it too. It might just be WSX but I’ll have to have a second look.
Interesting about the different brand name on the 600 mah battery.
I have been really impressed with the cheap, 4-port charger. It does a great job in correctly charging batteries.
Thank you for your comments. Keep watching for more articles along these lines. I have a couple more already in the works.
Ok I just ordered the 4 pack with charger from ebay. Price is $28 including 2 day delivery. Thank you greatly for your terrific articles and research!
Hi brilliant write ups. Look forward to future ones, would like to see the range extension hack with your kind of detail.
i think these are the same batteries, could you please advise me before i purchase.
Yes, the link to that battery clearly shows the red and black wires to the molex connector in the proper polarity. This battery will work on the SYMA X5, X5C and X5C-1 quadcopter. I checked the other Turnigy 750 mah batteries at this site and the poorer quality photos appear to show the red and black wires of the molex connector as the wrong polarity so I would shy away from them. The price is phenomenal if shipping is included since the U. S. vendors on eBay sell them now for $18 for two of them, shipped.
You might want to cut off the extra JST connector on these batteries. If you do you must be very careful to avoid shorting the leads at any time. You could cut the leads at slightly different lengths and/or install heat shrink or tape over the ends.
You might want to order a pair of these batteries as I am in the process of composing an article detailing how to construct dual battery packs where I have achieved nearly 21 minutes flight time with a pair of these Turnigy batteries. Stay tuned for that upcoming article and please read the article on battery compartment modification.
Thank for the info..Ok I’m going get the Turnigy 750 mah batteries for my X5C-1. What’s the best way to charge them an multi packs at the same time?
Hello..anyone home? Who sells the Turnigy 750 mah batteries an at the best prices?
It is inexplicably difficult at the moment to find a good deal on the correct Turnigy 750 mah battery.
I bought mine from a U.S. dealer on eBay for $20 for a pair, shipped. I no longer see his listings. A while back I saw a pair on eBay for $18, shipped but lately nearly all sources have dried up.
Although this is an expensive and poor shipping choice it is a good picture of the polarity you need: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Syma-X5C-Upgrade-Battery-750mah-Turnigy-Nano-Tech-Lipo-BRAND-NEW-/141530128101?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20f3da5ee5
I have seen them at Hobby King for under $3 each (with a second connector) but I am not sure on shipping charges or time. If patient and handy this could be a great value. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__41271__Turnigy_nano_tech_750mAh_1S_35_70C_Lipo_Pack_Walkera_V120D02S_QR_Infra_X_QR_W100S_.html?gclid=CNft5ffCl8YCFQwKaQoddykACw
You must be careful to get the correct polarity and might have to live with or carefully cut off a second lead (connector). If it is for Walker or Nine Eagles the polarity should be correct. Here is one such listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turnigy-Nano-tech-1s-3-7v-750mAh-35-70c-Lipo-Battery-Syma-X5c-1-Upgrade-/181768390356?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a523d86d4
You need to be extremely careful on getting the correct polarity as even the photos can be incorrect in the listing. You can damage your quad or charger if the polarity is incorrect. I have never been successful (nor in need) in modifying the connector but perhaps you can.
Excellent information. My own testing of the original battery shows 500 – 530 mAH of capacity.
I tested the battery charging cable that comes with the Syma X5C, and it does not seem to cut out at all. In fact, when the electronics in the battery pack decide enough is enough (4.30V in my case), the input voltage (at the battery terminals) rises to 5.05 (in my set-up).
So the conclusion seems to be that the battery pack electronics are the only thing in charge of the cut-out voltage with the OEM cable – not a great set-up! That should be the fail-safe cut-out only, I would think.
Can you recommend an AC charger for the Turnigy 750mah 1S 35-70C Lipo batteries?
I believe that charging any 1S (one-cell) Lipo battery is identical to any other. It may take a few minutes longer to charge a battery of greater mah but otherwise the same.
I am sure that there are more elaborate chargers on the market but I feel that they are primarily designed for more complex 2S and 3S (2-cell and 3-cell) batteries. I find the cheap, 4 and 5 port chargers to be entirely satisfactory for my needs. so i have had no reason to research other chargers on the market.
great article thank you. Can you put a link up to the correct 4 port charger. when i google wsx chargers i get a couple different ones. I dont want to purchase the wrong charger. Thank you!
Can u put up a link to the wsx 4 port charger that you recommend?
This is exactly what I ordered. There are other similar ones on the market.
My quadcopter stops flying when the voltage is as high is 3.95 volts! I only have one battery at this point so I can’t do in a / B test. Do you have any ideas as to where to start looking? Thank you.
Thanks for including more details of the issue you are having. It appears that something major is at issue. I am thinking that there is a loose connection somewhere but it would be difficult to determine where. You might try keeping it on the ground with a weight (heavy wrench in the landing gear) to minimize movement at the loose connection to see if you can fully drain the battery.
Of course, it would help to try a different battery to rule that out.
You may have to return the quad for a good one if it is new.
It is an x5c gen 2.
The first flight might be as short as 3 minutes or so. If I wait a few minutes put the battery back in again it will run for another minute and discharge from like 3.95 – 3.75. Then I will do it again. And discharge little bit more. I am wondering if something else is damaged or something else is wrong.
It will not work or only works for a few seconds with a battery @ 3.65 volts.
I have a nano-tech 750. With the syma off as soon as I plug in the battery it starts to run?
Great article! Thanks for taking the time to do the research, much appreciated.
use LiIon 4 longer flight times
I just purchased an X5C-1 and found your article and data invaluable. People like you that commit their time, effort and talent to acquire and share this information are extraordinary and often under appreciated. I for one try not to ever take your efforts for granted.
Thank you so much, this will help me immensely.
Your story was really inafrmotive, thanks!
I don’t speak or write very well in english, but I really had to thank you for your hard work on this.
I am in the same position and fully agree with the other user who said:
“I just purchased an X5C-1 and found your article and data invaluable. People like you that commit their time, effort and talent to acquire and share this information are extraordinary and often under appreciated. I for one try not to ever take your efforts for granted.
Thank you so much, this will help me immensely.”
i have turnigy nano-tech battery 750mAh , 3.7V
what is the minimum time that need to charge this battery full
what the charger that i need ?
Great article thanks! Found some in the UK too:
Can’t wait to try them 🙂
High Rate RC LiPo battery, please find on http://www.dhgate.com/store/20322399#st-navigation-storehome
Thank for the information.Ok, I’m going get the Turnigy 750 mah batteries for my X5C-1. What’s the best way to charge them multi packs at the same time?
Hello , I got a x5c-1 drone, about 2 months old now. Best toy I ever had, until my battery died. I figured out what I did wrong with this valuable info. BTW thanks a lot for posting this , anyway I flew it till the lights started flashing and them some till she quit all together. I figured that screwed my only battery. SO now I’m getting 4 new ones with a charger. You said something about hooking 2 batteries together to get a longer flight time that’s what I’m really interested in. Looking forward to that, Thanks.